Statistics: Posted by d1954costa — Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:13 am
It has been well documented on this forum that the 64 bit version is not much of an improvement on the 32 bit version and compared to other NLEs on the market, is horrendously slow when rendering, this does appear to be more of a factor when fx filters are used, although some projects with New Blue filters applied, seem to render at a reasonable speed and others do not.
As a test I created a project in Adobe Premiere Elements 13 using the New Blue Colorfast filter, only a small 2 min. video, rendered to the same properties as the clip, render time 46 seconds. I then created exactly the same project in VSX7 64 bit, rendered the same as first clip, after 12 mins and only 7% complete I cancelled the render process, but as I have previously said not all fx filters render this slow. Rendering with Adobe does use all 8 cores and averages 80-90% CPU usage, whilst VS only uses all 8 cores in short bursts only with an average of 4 cores utilized and CPU usage in the 30-40% range, Adobe also uses much more RAM than VS when rendering.
But even with all its faults VS is still my preferred video editor, it's so easy to use.
Statistics: Posted by RobertOZ — Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:59 am
Statistics: Posted by Ken Veal — Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:33 am
Multi-core CPU's did not become prominent in PC's until Windows Vista appeared - say, early 2008. In 2007, The original developer of VS (Ulead) was bought by Corel and subsequent (to 11, ie from X2 onwards) version updates have borne Corel's face.
Note that programming to use multiple cores is a skill, and requires specific tools. In this commentary, I discount the later versions of the OS, which will run a program in a separate core from the OS if there are 2 or more cores available. And home machines were not the only one's affected - I know of a case (mid-2000's, pretty much 10 years ago) when a large corporate went to some expense to update to large fast servers and was disgusted to find out (later, bills paid, when testing showed little performance improvement) that 3 out of 4 cores in the server were idle because the well known, brand email software in use did not not use them.
Some time (six months+?) ago I queried the moderators about the state of updates to the core VS code, reasoning that sufficient time had elapsed since the Ulead takeover and the appearance of multi-core cpu's for the programs in VS to have been overhauled by Corel to take account of/use that capability. But it turns out that at that time the overwhelming majority of programs that make up VS are still of Ulead origin. That is, they pre-dated multi-core cpu's and thus almost certainly don't don't use them. The results of that on diagnostic test would show one or more cores working and the others in an idle loop.
So, apart from techniques to reduce or eliminate internal delays (like, organise the program, OS and data each on physically separate drives <hard to do on a laptop> and install pots of RAM <really only feasible when running a 64bit machine>), there really isn't much a user can do to improve the cpu utilisation performance of VS. These are quite effective, but once only and at the margin. Living with it is really the only option until a multi-core version is available. And if it already is, then the efficiency of the programming is really an issue.
Pressure on Corel to articulate their multi-core programming strategy (moderators??) for those of us who have already invested dollars in the program often over many versions/years would not go astray and would certainly help the moderators answer these type of questions.
Statistics: Posted by Davidk — Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:16 am
Rather than using the Web option create your own video file.
Share – top left change Same as Project to Same as First Video, that’s assuming the option is available.
Share – Mpeg4 use the “MPEG-4 AVC (1280 x 720, 25p, 10Mbps)”
Does that render ok.
If yes log-on to your YT account and upload the video?
Statistics: Posted by lata — Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:38 pm
So whats different with those clips? are they a different type?
You say the thumbnails show a FX symbol, yet the Attributes tab showing the filter panel as being empty.
I would have expected some entry there.
Unless there are other editing that show FX?
At least we know that rendering creates a good video?
Statistics: Posted by lata — Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:28 pm
There is quite a bit going on here, I don’t understand why you are having problems rendering your projects.
I think we need to discus your workflow, you do seem to be mixing / using quite a few different formats.
Are you aware of crashes happening with a particular video file?
Thanks for the properties of that video file, that seems to be bog standard AVCHD, suitable to burn a AVCHD or Bluray disc.
Do you always convert to create a standard DVD (Mpeg2 files)
1 / Once you have matched the Project Properties same as video properties edit your project
2 / you should render the video to same as project properties, that will create a MTS file of your project.
3 / To convert the mts file, start a new project –add the new video file to the timeline then Share – Mpeg2 the MPEG-2 (720 x 576, 16:9, 50i, 8Mbps) option.
That will render the MTS to Mpeg2, the file is suitable to burn a DVD Disc.
Do you have any problems in doing that?
Improper Argument is a different kettle of fish…
I have had problems with this since the release of X7, trying to get Corel to replicate the problem is difficult.
Recently they did take control of my pc to investigate the problem, just waiting for them to find a fix?
There are a few other posters with this error, but only a few, welcome to the exclusive club………..
It does seem to be associated with Instant Projects, maybe importing from earlier versions, that pops up when first displaying the Instant Projects library.
I have my own fix for the problem, a temporary fix. This involves deleting/ moving the templates from C:\Users\User Name\Documents\Corel VideoStudio Pro\VSPTemplate
I created a new folder called “My VSPTemplate”, simply moved the contents over as a backup.
Then resetting the program to its factory default by re-naming the 17.0 folder.
This will re-set the entire library, so first you may be best to backup the library. Settings – Library Manager
Can you tell me, are you using the Ultimate version of either X5 or X7, I assume you do not have X6?
If yes have you installed graffiti?
I mention graffiti as its those files that seem to be a problem, at least for me, I have not used Fast Flick but could also be causing this Improper Argument.
In a nutshell that’s the problem I have.
If you need further info on how to proceed with the above I will write up the instructions in detail.
I think it best to fix the Improper Argument first, Unfortunately I don’t think it is the cause of your crashes, but you never know?
Statistics: Posted by lata — Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:22 pm
Please can someone help me. Basically, I have made a 2 minute video clip using Corel VideoStudio Pro X7 Ultimate. The files used are MPEG4. Along with photo stills. When I attempt to upload the video to say YouTube, the file renders to 98% and each and every time has caused my computer stops at precisely 98%. I have to go to task manager where it states "COREL NOT RESPONDING".
What's so frustrating is I have done nothing different the last few weeks, why now has it done this? more importantly what can I do to fix it. Here is what I have done so far.
Deleted Corel and completely re-installed - No effect. problem occurs at exactly 98% every time (over 20 attempts now).
Deleted all other recently downloaded software, including Corel Draw/photo. - Again problem persists. Updated my laptop (Windows
I cant think of anything else and its driving me nuts.
Please someone have the answer
Statistics: Posted by delboy_c — Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:03 pm
Just did a couple of test videos one with X7 using the properties as in my last post, it only gets to 58% rendered and then does not respond and I have to close the program down.
I then tried the same with X5 which seems to default to project settings:
PAL (25 fps)
24 bits, 720 x 576, 25 fps
Upper Field First
This works fine with both the .mov files and the .m2ts files.
I don't think X7 will render in 1920/1080 only in the 720 x 576. Plus the defaulting to the letterbox size with some projects.
Statistics: Posted by Winifred — Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:18 pm
I did all you asked - on the DV/AVI option "Encountered Improper Argument" error.
Here is details of video properties as in instruction 6:
MPEG Transport-Stream Files
24 bits, 1920 x 1080, 25 fps
Upper Field First
Video data rate: Variable (Max. 17408 kbps)
Audio data rate: 192 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio, 48 KHz, 2/0(L,R)
All my files come from either my iPhone or my camera (or a mixture of both). The camera is a Panasonic DNC-TZ30. I sometimes use a camcorder which is a Sony HDR-SR7E but I haven't used this for some time.
The iPhone is .MOV and the camera is .mt2ts files. The camcorder is .mpg
I usually produce I think mpeg-2 standard but not 100% sure what it outputs to. I just click on the DVD button in the share option and the MPEG choice. Maybe that's why VS crashes in as much as I try to render 1920 x 1080 to 720 x 576. I'm afraid though I get lost at a certain point as I'm not technically astute. It all happened automatically in X5 I never had any bother.
Yes I do incorporate 4.3 into the timelines as I use Smilebox/Kizoa for their slideshows and they only output to 4.3. However, I always distort the clip to fit the screen, it's always worked in the past.
As regards Trevor's comments I do use instant projects and Fast Flick quite a lot.
All these problems are very recent so I don't know what has happened to cause it.
Thank you very much for your help.
Statistics: Posted by Winifred — Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:45 pm
2 In new project-share render both same as project settings and same as 1st clip.
2 Message shows in both instances that rendering was successful
3 Playback gives the same black screen
4 Double clicking both AVCHD 44.076 KB File and mpeg movie file 37,366 KB file in working folder with resulting playback via Quick Time gave proper playback view
5 When scrubbing project to find black screen clips and then dragging each one to the timeline, the rest of the clip plays ok
Statistics: Posted by Ken Veal — Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:31 pm
Are you able to render those clips??
Drag the 6 offending clips to the library to create a copy.
Start a new project and drag the clips back to the timeline.
The clips should retain their edits including any filters?
Share – Same as first clip—does that render ok?
Statistics: Posted by lata — Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:47 am
Statistics: Posted by mmponline1 — Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:57 am
Please add the simple windows function to ADD the ability to create sub-libraries within libraries. In other words SUB-FOLDERS to help with organization of larger number of clips within a folder etc.
Statistics: Posted by jdowney — Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:04 pm
I just see that HDVsplit does not show previews and playback.
It certainly gives you a preview as you are capturing. There is a small 'Preview' box you tick about halfway down the left side of the program box when it appears on screen; and you can change the size of the preview screen. See the red arrow on the attached image (sorry but didn't have time to actually connect my Canon so Preview is greyed out. But with your camera attached and recognised, tick that box.)
As for playback, the program is of course only meant to be a simple capture program. You can use the various control buttons above the Preview box to play, reverse, FF, stop and record the video on the (H)DV tape in the camera. But I suspect you really want to play back the video after it is captured. But to do that, you would need either, say, VS or a software media player...
Statistics: Posted by Ken Berry — Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:08 pm
From Winifred’s post, and reading between the lines, I think the letterboxing may be the “Improper Argument”, as you know it has been a problem with my pc for a long time, the life of X7, seems associated with Instant Projects, maybe graffiti being imported from earlier versions.
Anyway just waiting for Winifred to reply to confirm that…………
But certainly the properties do look strange?
Statistics: Posted by lata — Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:06 pm
As it is, what is strange about the properties you provided is the frame size of 720 x 576. That would normally be associated with standard definition video, whereas the rest of the properties clearly *do* belong to AVCHD high def video. However, the latter would normally have a frame size of 1920 x 1080; 1440 x 1080 or 1280 x 720.
As for the letterboxing, do you know if any of the video you are including in the project is 4:3 when the project properties are 16:9 and the other video is also 16:9...?
Statistics: Posted by Ken Berry — Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:53 pm
Statistics: Posted by Ken Berry — Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:45 pm